The problem with ND is that it desired to be accepted as an Ivy league research institution.

It is suppose to be a university that holds a Catholic world view; that reason and faith can and do work together to promote the betterment of mankind and the spreading of the Gospel message.

Its not just ND its the majority of “Catholic” major universities IMO.

You can add Marquette, Georgetown, BC, Holy Cross, etc. to the list. While there are pockets of Catholics at those institutions they are the exception rather then the rule.

Catholic Universities want to hire the best in a given discipline rather then the best professor in a given discipline who practices the Catholic faith.

If they are forced to choose btwn lowering their faith standards or lowering their academic standing which do they chose?

In most cases it seems that they have chosen the latter to the point that a Catholic priest and old women can’t protest by saying the rosary on a Catholic institution’s property against a sitting president who supports the most radical position on abortion for which the Catholic church has proclaimed as intrinsically evil in all cases.

Heck the ND president still hasn’t dropped the charges.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2347617/posts

“I don’t understand how pro-abortion view is all we focus on.”

QB: It’s not all that’s focused on but abortion is evil in all cases no exception. War on the other hand may or may not be permissible depending on whether it meets with the justified war theory. The Iraq war didn’t meet that standard.

“Would Notre Dame be more Catholic if anti-abortion Bush gave a speech?”

Nope.

“You know, the one who ruined the whole nation of Iraq by unjustifiably attacking it and plunging it into civil war that costs billions of dollars, thousands of American lives and hundred thousand of innocent civilian lives? Why don’t we focus on that, instead? Those billions spent on war could have gone to anti-abortion and birth-control efforts…”

I don’t really care about the political position of either party their both secular institutions motivated by vices contrary to the Gospel. The difference btwn the Democratic and the GOP is that the former are socialist willingly and the latter are socialist reluctantly.

The issue at hand however is that a purported Catholic institution is not holding a debate but was honoring an individual with a legal degree who happens to have the worse record at the state, senate and now executive levels of gov’t.

If they wanted to give him one for his community service from the humanities department then perhaps. It’s not Obama I’m expecting accountability its the Catholic church and its institutions.

I understand your feelings, its not uncommon. Heck that’s how Luther felt about the very same buildings and art back in the 16th century. But that’s the point, the church isn’t building up new structures for itself every 10 years. Look at all the money and land that was stolen from the church over the centuries. Vikings, Luther, Calvin, Henry VIII, Visigoths, Huns, Mussolini, all the churches in North Africa in the 7th century (estimated over 3,500 churches) under the sword of Islam, China, Vietnam the list is almost endless.

The fact is that the church preserves value of each century for the generations that follow. The rest of society consumes everything. Science, history, art, music all supported by the church as well. Again when the nations have their next global war who is going to be trying to save all this intellectual and material wealth for the future?

“This world is changing at a rate never seen before in all our history…we-you-me-every person-every institution must change our everyday thoughts and routines or we will kill the human race”

Sure so name another country which operates more green then the Vatican State? On population control again I ask that you look at the facts. The globe will peak at 9.1 billion by 2045. Then we are faced with the actual crisis of a population implosion. All modern countries will be faced with inverted population ages and none are able to support them. Imagine all those land values that the old will be depending on but there won’t be any youth to buy it? There won’t be enough youth to fill all the jobs needed either. The biggest concern IMO is the viability of actual cultures. Western civilization is breeding itself out of existence. Spain, Italy, Germany, France, England, Scandinavia, and Russia are all dying out.

So yes we have to radically change our mindset. Nihilism has a choke hold on humanity.

Thanks for your even toned reply. Yes I was venting…sorry. I actually took out some stuff before sending what you got.

I do realize the Pope inherits all the bling with the office and since he usually dies in office he doesn’t take it with him. It is merely the sight of the man with all the regalia and contrasting with the half naked black people.

The fact is the condoms do work for AIDS/HIV—we know not always—but often, and they work pretty well for birth control.

This world is changing at a rate never seen before in all our history…we-you-me-every person-every institution must change our everyday thoughts and routines or we will kill the human race.

Again I apologize for venting to you.

twom

So while dying of hunger is worse then never existing, is that the position your supporting?

Can you name any other head of an institution that is the most global one with over 1.2 billion members? . Yes he is surrounded by the greatest works of art in the world and he doesn’t own any of it. It would be much easier to take a low key position in the Germany Alps then be Pope. The car is donated so is the plane and everything else. And all that stuff is passed on to the next guy who gets to borrow it for a few years as well.

You want to earn 3 or 4 college degrees, learn to speak several languages, say mass everyday of your life, hear confessions of the worst that humanity can disclose to you, bury countless people, console the living, remain celibate and essentially work 18 hour days for 60 plus years – be my guest.

Currently the Vatican is running a deficit.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/05/vatican-runs-deficit-amid_n_225810.html

http://www.forbes.com/lists/2008/14/charities08_Catholic-Charities-USA_CH0030.html

“Fortunately, we can now move beyond debating how well condom promotion might work to examining how well it has worked,” says Dr. Norman Hearst, professor at the University of California, San Francisco. “So far, there’s no good evidence that condoms will reverse population-wide epidemics like those in sub-Saharan Africa,” Dr. Green (Harvard University)notes…”It’s simply not appropriate or effective to offer a 15-year-old girl in Africa the same AIDS-prevention message we give to a 50-year-old gay man or injecting drug user in Baltimore. Contrary to Western stereotypes about African sexual behavior, most 15-year-old African girls are not yet sexually active.”… “When it comes to AIDS epidemics, one-size-fits-all health prescriptions don’t work. Different types of AIDS epidemics require different solutions.” “This ‘ABC’ message [Abstain, Be faithful, or for those who refuse to do either, use Condoms] is the only approach that has ever resulted in a significant decrease in HIV infections in what we call generalized epidemics,”

http://www.sciencedirect….efa35585f0e1eade33f972992

Ifone factors in an 85% effective rate for condoms (includes those who forget to use it or refuse to do so in the heat of the moment) if 100 people have sex with HIV infected partners 7 will contract HIV, if they use condoms 1 in 100 will contract it. Apply that to 10 million people having sex for three years and you have 300,000 new cases of HIV/AIDS using an effective rate of 99% for condoms which we know is not valid due to factors outside the product itself.

The study also concluded that condom effectiveness could be “as high as 94.2 percent” or “as low as 35.4 percent.”

So I believe condoms have the complete opposite effect and Africa’s numbers demonstrate, dispite what you may think is a higher compliance rate in the USA.

Again lets just assume a 99% compliance rate for the USA as well.

How many times do people have sex per/yr x the total number of individuals who have HIV that don’t tell the other individual and the number of times those individuals don’t use a condom.

It doesn’t work.

How about those little black babies that are born for lack of birth control that will live momentarily only to die horrendously a few months later in agony…how is this better than birth control?

You know, the more I think about these cases we have talked about…the more upset I become, (Your cue to say,”Yeah…So What.”) Here we have the leader of the richest single institution in the world telling some of the poorest people on earth that they shouldn’t use something that may very well save their life or prevent them from having another child that will die from hunger—which from what I have been told is a Very painful way to go.

Here is this high and mighty ruler with his fine garments and special cars and private jet and mighty houses…using Catholic dogma to sentence more humans to death. As sure as the sun will rise tomorrow that is what the Pope is doing to these people.

The church continuously messes with poor and ignorant people’s minds and bodies and keeps the cycles of poverty and death going. What does the church care, it lives in luxury.

Not much thought seems to have gone into church dogma. Let the black bitches keep pumping out babies…it doesn’t matter that earth’s resources are finite, that Africa is almost a lost cause, and could never be rehabilitated. The Catholic agenda in Africa is just as bad as the Muslim one…they both lead to death.

The Pope and his associate’s needs to go into the temple and do what King Josiah did…find a new book of laws.